Comments on: Objectification, Part One http://aagblog.com/2009/07/07/objectification-one/ ~ videamus quid sit exilium. nempe loci commutatio.~ Thu, 22 Dec 2011 14:33:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Olivia http://aagblog.com/2009/07/07/objectification-one/comment-page-1/#comment-21397 Olivia Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:35:20 +0000 http://aagblog.com/?p=4327#comment-21397 Thanks for such an interesting discussion. Thanks for such an interesting discussion.

]]> By: Shay http://aagblog.com/2009/07/07/objectification-one/comment-page-1/#comment-18105 Shay Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:14:21 +0000 http://aagblog.com/?p=4327#comment-18105 I know AAG doesn't mind if I suggest you check out one of my recent posts on lusting after people in your real life: http://thesspot.org/?p=2414 ^_^ <em>Of course I don't mind hunney bunney. I lurves ewe. :) --aag</em> I know AAG doesn’t mind if I suggest you check out one of my recent posts on lusting after people in your real life: http://thesspot.org/?p=2414
^_^

Of course I don’t mind hunney bunney. I lurves ewe. :) –aag

]]> By: Aysia http://aagblog.com/2009/07/07/objectification-one/comment-page-1/#comment-18104 Aysia Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:33:05 +0000 http://aagblog.com/?p=4327#comment-18104 The difference being, the coworker who happens to be scorchingly hot, is a coworker first, and hot second. Meaning, imo, that you respect her as a coworker and respect her intelligence and abilities. Whether an individual jacks off to her in this case, is irrelevant, because while she is an object for the time he's jacking off, she returns to coworker status the next day at work. The woman you happen to work with, for whom the only use you have is to jack off to, I would say you don't respect her as a person, you have no use for her presence, ability, mind, or anything else. The only purpose this woman has in your life is for you to fantasize about later on while you're jacking off. The first isn't an object because she has uses other than jack off material. The second is, because there's no regard for her at all, other than to jack off to. Which also happens, but that's when I would call objectification. The difference being, the coworker who happens to be scorchingly hot, is a coworker first, and hot second. Meaning, imo, that you respect her as a coworker and respect her intelligence and abilities. Whether an individual jacks off to her in this case, is irrelevant, because while she is an object for the time he’s jacking off, she returns to coworker status the next day at work.

The woman you happen to work with, for whom the only use you have is to jack off to, I would say you don’t respect her as a person, you have no use for her presence, ability, mind, or anything else. The only purpose this woman has in your life is for you to fantasize about later on while you’re jacking off.

The first isn’t an object because she has uses other than jack off material. The second is, because there’s no regard for her at all, other than to jack off to. Which also happens, but that’s when I would call objectification.

]]> By: The Other Dee http://aagblog.com/2009/07/07/objectification-one/comment-page-1/#comment-18103 The Other Dee Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:02:08 +0000 http://aagblog.com/?p=4327#comment-18103 Can you help me understand the difference you see between those two cases? D Can you help me understand the difference you see between those two cases?

D

]]> By: cate http://aagblog.com/2009/07/07/objectification-one/comment-page-1/#comment-18097 cate Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:17:33 +0000 http://aagblog.com/?p=4327#comment-18097 As a lady in porn I say to Xavier I do not need your protection or pity. I am an adult making informed choices. Your question may have been well intended but it is really rather offensive, insinuating that people in porn only come to it because they are damaged. For me my porn work is a compelling mix of the personal and the political. I do it to stretch the boundaries of my concepts of desire, intimacy and exposure, not to feed some imaginary needle habit. All you need to do is search out ethically produced porn and pay for it. As a lady in porn I say to Xavier I do not need your protection or pity. I am an adult making informed choices. Your question may have been well intended but it is really rather offensive, insinuating that people in porn only come to it because they are damaged. For me my porn work is a compelling mix of the personal and the political. I do it to stretch the boundaries of my concepts of desire, intimacy and exposure, not to feed some imaginary needle habit. All you need to do is search out ethically produced porn and pay for it.

]]> By: Sem http://aagblog.com/2009/07/07/objectification-one/comment-page-1/#comment-18096 Sem Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:12:24 +0000 http://aagblog.com/?p=4327#comment-18096 I never understood what it means to "objectify" someone. People aren't objects and objects aren't people. Arousal doesn't turn someone into an object. I guess someone could be the _object_ of my arousal, and that could be considered "objectifying". But someone could also be the _object_ of my affection, which wouldn't be considered "objectifying". Someone please explain. I never understood what it means to “objectify” someone. People aren’t objects and objects aren’t people. Arousal doesn’t turn someone into an object. I guess someone could be the _object_ of my arousal, and that could be considered “objectifying”. But someone could also be the _object_ of my affection, which wouldn’t be considered “objectifying”. Someone please explain.

]]> By: Aysia http://aagblog.com/2009/07/07/objectification-one/comment-page-1/#comment-18095 Aysia Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:15:02 +0000 http://aagblog.com/?p=4327#comment-18095 It happens, and I don't think it's necessarily bad, but there's a huge difference between a coworker who just happens to be scorchingly hot, and a woman you happen to work with, for whom the only use you have is jack off material. It happens, and I don’t think it’s necessarily bad, but there’s a huge difference between a coworker who just happens to be scorchingly hot, and a woman you happen to work with, for whom the only use you have is jack off material.

]]> By: The Other Dee http://aagblog.com/2009/07/07/objectification-one/comment-page-1/#comment-18094 The Other Dee Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:57:59 +0000 http://aagblog.com/?p=4327#comment-18094 So does that mean it's not okay to fantasize about your hot co-worker while you wank since they haven't explicitly consented? d So does that mean it’s not okay to fantasize about your hot co-worker while you wank since they haven’t explicitly consented?

d

]]> By: The Other Dee http://aagblog.com/2009/07/07/objectification-one/comment-page-1/#comment-18093 The Other Dee Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:53:24 +0000 http://aagblog.com/?p=4327#comment-18093 I don't get the sense that Xavier feels real guilt - rather that he thinks he *should* feel guilt because of "all the feminists he's read". Which leads me to believe that he has some inner conflict about viewing/enjoying porn and he wants you to absolve him. I think he needs to get clarity about where this conflict is coming from and then make an informed decision about whether viewing porn is in alignment with his values or not. As to your question about my children (and I have 3 daughters and one son)I would like to think that I'd be okay with any of them deciding to go in to sex work as long as it was a well thought out and informed decision and they were following their hearts. This is the same criteria that I would use for selecting *any* career. Recently, my son was exploring going in to the military which was extremely hard for me from a selfish perspective. I had to realize that my issues were my own and not his and allow him to follow his heart. I would like to think that I would have done the same if he'd said that he was going in to porn. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it....going in to porn would have been easier for me to accept. Dee I don’t get the sense that Xavier feels real guilt – rather that he thinks he *should* feel guilt because of “all the feminists he’s read”. Which leads me to believe that he has some inner conflict about viewing/enjoying porn and he wants you to absolve him. I think he needs to get clarity about where this conflict is coming from and then make an informed decision about whether viewing porn is in alignment with his values or not.

As to your question about my children (and I have 3 daughters and one son)I would like to think that I’d be okay with any of them deciding to go in to sex work as long as it was a well thought out and informed decision and they were following their hearts. This is the same criteria that I would use for selecting *any* career. Recently, my son was exploring going in to the military which was extremely hard for me from a selfish perspective. I had to realize that my issues were my own and not his and allow him to follow his heart. I would like to think that I would have done the same if he’d said that he was going in to porn.

Actually, now that I’m thinking about it….going in to porn would have been easier for me to accept.

Dee

]]> By: hubman http://aagblog.com/2009/07/07/objectification-one/comment-page-1/#comment-18092 hubman Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:32:20 +0000 http://aagblog.com/?p=4327#comment-18092 The first part of his letter really bugged me- "whether they’re trying to pay for drugs or college or simply to feel loved after a lifetime of abuse". Nice stereotyping (and not that other parts didn't bug me, this just stood out for me). Is submitting to Voyeurweb that much different than what many of us do every Thursday when we publish our HNT posts? My wife and I participate in HNT because it's fun, we enjoy taking pictures together, it's a rewarding challenge to come up with something artistic each week, we appreciate the kind comments we get in return, etc. Why can't others, who chose other amateur (or not) forums to show themselves, have similar motives? The first part of his letter really bugged me- “whether they’re trying to pay for drugs or college or simply to feel loved after a lifetime of abuse”. Nice stereotyping (and not that other parts didn’t bug me, this just stood out for me). Is submitting to Voyeurweb that much different than what many of us do every Thursday when we publish our HNT posts? My wife and I participate in HNT because it’s fun, we enjoy taking pictures together, it’s a rewarding challenge to come up with something artistic each week, we appreciate the kind comments we get in return, etc.

Why can’t others, who chose other amateur (or not) forums to show themselves, have similar motives?

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