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	<description>~ sux only in the best of ways ~</description>
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		<title>By: Miscellaneous Sex</title>
		<link>http://aagblog.com/2008/08/21/snap/comment-page-2/#comment-13647</link>
		<dc:creator>Miscellaneous Sex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s so interesting.  Part of my judgement on that was because &quot;everyone&quot; fists with their primary hand...interesting.

But do take a look at the stein essay..it really is illuminating.

~ MS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s so interesting.  Part of my judgement on that was because &#8220;everyone&#8221; fists with their primary hand&#8230;interesting.</p>
<p>But do take a look at the stein essay..it really is illuminating.</p>
<p>~ MS</p>
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		<title>By: W</title>
		<link>http://aagblog.com/2008/08/21/snap/comment-page-2/#comment-13643</link>
		<dc:creator>W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misc. Sex - Thanks for your thoughtful response. Interesting note about the hand choice; I&#039;m actually left-handed, which is how the right hand came about in the fantasy. It was an instinctive choice on my part to go for the less-used hand, but it&#039;s a choice that would be dependent on my bottom. 

That would be one thing discussed ahead of time, as would consultation with a medical professional about technique, harm reduction, etc. I actually know a number of medical people in the scene with whom I could consult about this, should the opportunity ever arise. Those facts were not written into the fantasy posted here simply because it is that: a fantasy posted here, not the entire beginning-to-end process of the fantasy as it might play out in real life. This kind of activity is not something I&#039;d ever consider doing without extensive forethought and planning along health/medical/aftercare lines AFTER already knowing someone willing to engage in it with me. The other person is, obviously, an integral part of that discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misc. Sex &#8211; Thanks for your thoughtful response. Interesting note about the hand choice; I&#8217;m actually left-handed, which is how the right hand came about in the fantasy. It was an instinctive choice on my part to go for the less-used hand, but it&#8217;s a choice that would be dependent on my bottom. </p>
<p>That would be one thing discussed ahead of time, as would consultation with a medical professional about technique, harm reduction, etc. I actually know a number of medical people in the scene with whom I could consult about this, should the opportunity ever arise. Those facts were not written into the fantasy posted here simply because it is that: a fantasy posted here, not the entire beginning-to-end process of the fantasy as it might play out in real life. This kind of activity is not something I&#8217;d ever consider doing without extensive forethought and planning along health/medical/aftercare lines AFTER already knowing someone willing to engage in it with me. The other person is, obviously, an integral part of that discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Miscellaneous Sex</title>
		<link>http://aagblog.com/2008/08/21/snap/comment-page-2/#comment-13642</link>
		<dc:creator>Miscellaneous Sex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  This seems to be quite the thread of comments.  I find that I have more to say than I&#039;d imagined.

First, I have some pretty...errr...interesting fantasies.  Many of them I&#039;ve played out, and would probably squick a lot of the commenters here.  Others, I&#039;d want to, but can&#039;t find a way to do with any measure of safety.  After thinking about this one for a while, it would be very difficult for W to do this without mitigating the risks involved.

I have broken my ring finger in this manner.  (Errr, I mean accidentally.  I fell and it got bent back to my wrist.)  I ended up with a hairline fracture, barely visible.  It didn&#039;t hurt so much until it got swollen, didn&#039;t require setting, and required wearing a brace constantly for six weeks.  I&#039;d say that&#039;s the best case result to this.  It could obviously require surgery, a cast, physical therapy, and a permanent injury causing lifelong pain and loss of movement.

I have no idea how you would control which joint or bone would be stressed to breaking.  Certainly, I&#039;m no medical expert.  I&#039;d wonder if you could find a medical expert, with a specialty of treating such injuries, who would discuss it with you in depth ahead of time, and possibly give you guidance as to how to reduce harm in this circumstance.  (I have no idea if W knows such a professional personally.)  It might be possible, but I am guessing though that there isn&#039;t much way to reduce these risks.  It is my understanding that if expecting an injury, the &quot;victim&quot; will often tense, making this even more complicated.

There is one thing about tihs fantasy that leads me to believe that W hasn&#039;t thought though the aftercare to this very well.  (In spite of him sounding like an otherwise nice thoughtful guy.)  In his fantasy, he breaks a finger on the right hand.  If one knows anything about the difficulty of recovering from such a thing, one would never ever want to do such to the primary hand.  It would make it impossible or extremely difficult to write or type for weeks.  On a more permanent basis, one&#039;s right pinky is much more heavily used in typing.  (I&#039;m sure it seems ironic that *that* it what seems like the craziest part of the idea.)

Consentual or not, it only seems prudent to cause as little harm as possible.  And it scares me a bit that W hasn&#039;t taken the time to think that through.  This is not something which (even if it were my particular kink) I would consent to doing.  But in particular, I wouldn&#039;t even consider it with someone who was had not researched the consequences thoroughly.  I regret having to say that.

~ MS

P.S.  To all of you people who favored RACK over SSC:  You might be really interested to read david stein&#039;s essay discussing his intent when coining the phrase, and it&#039;s misinterpretation.  (http://www.lthredge.com/ds/ssc.pdf)  It&#039;s a fabulous read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  This seems to be quite the thread of comments.  I find that I have more to say than I&#8217;d imagined.</p>
<p>First, I have some pretty&#8230;errr&#8230;interesting fantasies.  Many of them I&#8217;ve played out, and would probably squick a lot of the commenters here.  Others, I&#8217;d want to, but can&#8217;t find a way to do with any measure of safety.  After thinking about this one for a while, it would be very difficult for W to do this without mitigating the risks involved.</p>
<p>I have broken my ring finger in this manner.  (Errr, I mean accidentally.  I fell and it got bent back to my wrist.)  I ended up with a hairline fracture, barely visible.  It didn&#8217;t hurt so much until it got swollen, didn&#8217;t require setting, and required wearing a brace constantly for six weeks.  I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s the best case result to this.  It could obviously require surgery, a cast, physical therapy, and a permanent injury causing lifelong pain and loss of movement.</p>
<p>I have no idea how you would control which joint or bone would be stressed to breaking.  Certainly, I&#8217;m no medical expert.  I&#8217;d wonder if you could find a medical expert, with a specialty of treating such injuries, who would discuss it with you in depth ahead of time, and possibly give you guidance as to how to reduce harm in this circumstance.  (I have no idea if W knows such a professional personally.)  It might be possible, but I am guessing though that there isn&#8217;t much way to reduce these risks.  It is my understanding that if expecting an injury, the &#8220;victim&#8221; will often tense, making this even more complicated.</p>
<p>There is one thing about tihs fantasy that leads me to believe that W hasn&#8217;t thought though the aftercare to this very well.  (In spite of him sounding like an otherwise nice thoughtful guy.)  In his fantasy, he breaks a finger on the right hand.  If one knows anything about the difficulty of recovering from such a thing, one would never ever want to do such to the primary hand.  It would make it impossible or extremely difficult to write or type for weeks.  On a more permanent basis, one&#8217;s right pinky is much more heavily used in typing.  (I&#8217;m sure it seems ironic that *that* it what seems like the craziest part of the idea.)</p>
<p>Consentual or not, it only seems prudent to cause as little harm as possible.  And it scares me a bit that W hasn&#8217;t taken the time to think that through.  This is not something which (even if it were my particular kink) I would consent to doing.  But in particular, I wouldn&#8217;t even consider it with someone who was had not researched the consequences thoroughly.  I regret having to say that.</p>
<p>~ MS</p>
<p>P.S.  To all of you people who favored RACK over SSC:  You might be really interested to read david stein&#8217;s essay discussing his intent when coining the phrase, and it&#8217;s misinterpretation.  (<a href="http://www.lthredge.com/ds/ssc.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.lthredge.com/ds/ssc.pdf</a>)  It&#8217;s a fabulous read.</p>
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		<title>By: Patience</title>
		<link>http://aagblog.com/2008/08/21/snap/comment-page-2/#comment-13441</link>
		<dc:creator>Patience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be up for it until the breaking part (plus, I&#039;m hypermobile, so my fingers bend really far back towards my hand anyway).  Given that I passed out when I broke my toe early this summer, and that I continue to have some pain to this day, I just don&#039;t think I would do well with a broken bone.

W, best of luck to you finding someone who&#039;ll go all the way for you.  I don&#039;t think you&#039;re gross or skeevy, that a slippery slope applies, or anything of the sort.  I&#039;m impressed you were able to articulate this, mostly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be up for it until the breaking part (plus, I&#8217;m hypermobile, so my fingers bend really far back towards my hand anyway).  Given that I passed out when I broke my toe early this summer, and that I continue to have some pain to this day, I just don&#8217;t think I would do well with a broken bone.</p>
<p>W, best of luck to you finding someone who&#8217;ll go all the way for you.  I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re gross or skeevy, that a slippery slope applies, or anything of the sort.  I&#8217;m impressed you were able to articulate this, mostly!</p>
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		<title>By: ummm</title>
		<link>http://aagblog.com/2008/08/21/snap/comment-page-2/#comment-13374</link>
		<dc:creator>ummm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m convinced that it is possible for the human mind to eroticize ANYTHING.

Pavolv&#039;s dog. Orgasm, and fill-in-the-blank, dog now salivates to fill-in-the-blank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m convinced that it is possible for the human mind to eroticize ANYTHING.</p>
<p>Pavolv&#8217;s dog. Orgasm, and fill-in-the-blank, dog now salivates to fill-in-the-blank.</p>
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		<title>By: The Beautiful Kind</title>
		<link>http://aagblog.com/2008/08/21/snap/comment-page-2/#comment-13367</link>
		<dc:creator>The Beautiful Kind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sticks and stones may break my bones, but Karl will never harm me.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sticks and stones may break my bones, but Karl will never harm me.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Elvis</title>
		<link>http://aagblog.com/2008/08/21/snap/comment-page-2/#comment-13366</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Elvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, are you sure that wasn&#039;t me, Beautiful? It, um, kind of sounds like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, are you sure that wasn&#8217;t me, Beautiful? It, um, kind of sounds like me.</p>
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		<title>By: The Beautiful Kind</title>
		<link>http://aagblog.com/2008/08/21/snap/comment-page-2/#comment-13365</link>
		<dc:creator>The Beautiful Kind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a lover who was very big and strong, and my wrists are very slender. I loved when he would grip my wrist hard, and I would try and struggle out of his vice-like grasp.

One time I told him, &quot;Don&#039;t break my wrist!&quot;

He growled, &quot;Fuck that, I&#039;m not done until I see BONE.&quot;

But, um, he was joking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a lover who was very big and strong, and my wrists are very slender. I loved when he would grip my wrist hard, and I would try and struggle out of his vice-like grasp.</p>
<p>One time I told him, &#8220;Don&#8217;t break my wrist!&#8221;</p>
<p>He growled, &#8220;Fuck that, I&#8217;m not done until I see BONE.&#8221;</p>
<p>But, um, he was joking.</p>
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		<title>By: aag</title>
		<link>http://aagblog.com/2008/08/21/snap/comment-page-2/#comment-13274</link>
		<dc:creator>aag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Have you folks heard about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Slippery Slope Fallacy&lt;/a&gt;?  Perhaps some of you should read up on it:



&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The heart of the slippery slope fallacy lies in abusing the intuitively appreciable transitivity of implication, claiming that A lead to B, B leads to C, C leads to D and so on, until one finally claims that A leads to Z. While this is formally valid when the premises are taken as a given, each of those contingencies needs to be factually established before the relevant conclusion can be drawn. Slippery slopes occur when this is not done -- an argument that supports the relevant premises is not fallacious and thus isn&#039;t a slippery slope in technical definition of the term.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;




Ell:  That&#039;s ... wow.  :)

&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Have you folks heard about the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope" rel="nofollow">Slippery Slope Fallacy</a>?  Perhaps some of you should read up on it:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The heart of the slippery slope fallacy lies in abusing the intuitively appreciable transitivity of implication, claiming that A lead to B, B leads to C, C leads to D and so on, until one finally claims that A leads to Z. While this is formally valid when the premises are taken as a given, each of those contingencies needs to be factually established before the relevant conclusion can be drawn. Slippery slopes occur when this is not done &#8212; an argument that supports the relevant premises is not fallacious and thus isn&#8217;t a slippery slope in technical definition of the term.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Ell:  That&#8217;s &#8230; wow.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: ell</title>
		<link>http://aagblog.com/2008/08/21/snap/comment-page-2/#comment-13273</link>
		<dc:creator>ell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As open minded as I like to think I am the use of the word &quot;snap&quot; in association with bones makes bile rise in my throat. Still, there are more bodily dangerous fantasies that could be realised...

http://www.mukiskitchen.com/free1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As open minded as I like to think I am the use of the word &#8220;snap&#8221; in association with bones makes bile rise in my throat. Still, there are more bodily dangerous fantasies that could be realised&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mukiskitchen.com/free1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mukiskitchen.com/free1.html</a></p>
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