10th Aug, 2007

Sobbing During Sex

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A dear friend of mine–let’s call him Steve, shall we?–has been seeing a woman for nigh on six months now. Their relationship started out strong but in the past few months it’s hit a puzzling snag.

The snag? When they have sex in certain positions, she cries.

As you might imagine, Steve finds this supremely disconcerting. The first time it happened he stopped and questioned her. She said it was nothing. She didn’t want to talk about it. She just wanted to keep fucking.

He obliged her. She cried more while they were in that position. When he (wisely) changed to a different position, the tears stopped and they continued coupling unimpeded.

Steve tried to bring up the subject outside of the charged atmosphere of the bedroom. She would only tell him that the position in question triggered bad memories for her.

He questioned further. When had these experiences happened? What could he do to help? She refused to answer but to apologize for the tears and assure him that all was under control.

Except that the next time chance brought them to that sexual position, he saw more tears running down her face. Again he stopped. Again she urged him to continue. Unable to bear the idea of sex with a crying partner, he changed to a different position–which caused the tears to stop.

Steve studiously avoided the trigger position for a period of time. He continued to question her cautiously about the tears. She continued to avoid answering.

A month or so later, another of their standard positions triggered her tears. Steve once again stopped. She once again refused to tell him the issue. She only wanted him to continue.

He’s gently urged her to confide in him. He’s suggested counseling to get to the bottom of the problem. She utterly refuses. She’s fine, she tells him. It’s nothing. She doesn’t want to talk about it.

Now Steve is left to wonder which position will trigger her next time, and if eventually every position will end up being a trigger.

Of course I see this through the lens of my own experience. I’ve also sobbed during sex. During the very worst periods of dealing with sexual abuse, I didn’t want sex at all; when things improved slightly and we tried again, I often could not make it through without tears.

Steve knows enough about my history to wonder if his friend has some of these same demons in her past. He’s a compassionate guy, but his patience is wearing thin. Don’t get me wrong–he’s not frustrated about the tears, but instead with her lack of willingness to address the problem. He doesn’t want to be in a relationship with someone who cannot or will not face her issues.

It may come down to an ultimatum, I’ve told him. If he cannot bear to make love with a tearful partner (and who could, long-term?), then he might need to put things on hold until she agrees to seek some help.

Steve and I talked over this possibility not long ago. She asks for sex. He pulls out his cock–his very impressive cock, I might add–and begins stroking it in front of her astonished eyes.

Then he says, “No help, no dick…make your choice.”

We were making light of a difficult situation (sometimes you just have to), but it’s possible that they’ll end up in conversation like this before long.

What would you do if your partner cried during sex and refused to discuss the reasons with you? How would you respond?

Responses

The MadameXpod?!?!
I thought we’d heard the last from that bitch!
hehehe

I cry during sex often but for me it’s about release, emotional release.
I cry when I’m angry, when I’m happy, when I’m sad and sometimes when I’m in ecstasy.
What should Steve do?
My advice is to just be there for her.

I never have experienced crying during sex. I suspect that it would cause me to lose my erection. I would encourage her to get some help and be as supportive as possible. Still a difficult situation.

Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt. As *Marilyn VanDerbur Atler said, “You gotta do your work. You can do it now or do it later. But you have to do your work.” Hope it works out for your friend and his friend.

*The 1958 Miss America who came out about her childhood sexual abuse.

This girl needs some help. She needs some help getting to the point where she can be helped.

Steve should facilitate the process, but if she can’t face down her demons perhaps it’s time for him to move on, as you suggest. He’s entitled to sexual fulfillment too.

well, I’d be compassionate for awhile, but everyone has their limits — just like he seemed to do. You can be there for someone all you want, but this sounds like something she will have to face herself before he can be of any help. The ball’s in her court — this is the classic “shit or get off the pot” situation, pardon the expression.

I would think that she should address the issue, since he is probably thinking that she doesn’t care by this point. I know I would.

Good god, so WHAT if she cries during sex. Who cares what the reason is. Sex is an intensely emotional experience and can bring out all sorts of things. He’d be a complete asshole if he left her just because of her tears. It doesn’t really matter what the reason is. When she’s comfortable to tell him, she’ll tell him.

As a cryee, if my partner refused to discuss the issue, I’d actually be hurt and sort of offended–I mean, if it’s important enough to cause tears during sex, it’s important enough to talk about, right? (Plus, I’d want to ensure that I wasn’t triggering the crying by acting in a particular way while screwing in that position.)

Personally, however, I was (and sometimes am) a cryer. The difference was, I talked to my partner about it, so that he understands the difference between crying because it feels amazing (keep fucking), crying because it hurts (stop fucking), crying due to the onset of a panic attack (consult me to know whether to stop fucking or fuck more), or crying due to some random reason (temporary stop for discussion, then usually resumption of fucking).

After six months, I kinda think it’s justified to at least give a partial explanation about what’s going on. There’s nothing saying she has to go into explicit detail about what’s going on, but I think she does owe it to her partner to a) give a more through explanation (which can be done via letter if it’s more comfortable), and b) stop saying ‘keep going’ when a switch in position would stop the stress (unless keeping going would help her deal with the problem, in which case he needs to know that too.)

Never experienced crying. Giggling and pointing, yes. Crying, no.

Hm. I wonder what would happen if he actually continued to completion through one of the crying spells? Just soldiered on until either he or she came? I have no idea why I wonder that…just wondering if it would help her to be able to talk about it, if he didn’t try and avoid what causes the emotional outburst and “played through the pain”, as it were…

hmmmmmmmm

does she say she wants him to change positions? that it “feels bad”? Makes her feel bad? Of that he should just keep going? It is possible that his focusing on it makes it more painful for her emotionally… Some things are wayyy too painful to discuss with a newly acquired lover. If she could talk about it, she would. If she were ready to go to a counselor, or when she is ready…. she will. Does it really impede their sex life other than that he isn’t used to a crying sex partner (ie, back to my first question is he supposed to switch positions or just keep going and ignore the tears?

does she cum while crying? cum after they switch? Are these dribbling tears or sobby snotty tears?

I’ve had this happen twice to me. In both cases it was clearly due to unhappy feelings about the past, one worked out fine, one did not. Neither wanted to talk about it with me. They both knew that I knew why it was happening, but were too ashamed/memory lost to talk about it.

Are the tears triggering something for him? Does he want to talk about it?

All behavior has a purpose. So what is the gain for crying and not talking as opposed revealing what is going on. A lot of attention can be given to a person who shows obvious distress but maintains everything is fine

Yeah, I’d find it difficult to deal with as well. If you can’t discuss it with your partner, it doesn’t bode well for the relationship.

I’ve never cried during sex - felt detached? Sure, but cried, no.

She definitely needs to face whatever her demons are.

AAG,
I would be compassionate, but if there was no progress, I would suggest counseling. Sometime professional help is needed. A person who is not emotionally involved can sometimes see through the “fog”.
Pete

There is a night in my wife’s life that she refuses to talk about with me. It happened when we were teenagers. She was at a party with a bunch of boys and girls while I was away. Present at the party was this older guy who was a source of pot for some of the kids at the party. Anyway, I know she went to a bedroom with him and I know they both had their pants off, but not what happened after that. She says she fell asleep and that’s all that happened. I do know that one of her friends asked her if she was alright afterwards, so it must have been more than that. My wife knows quite well that I would like to swing or at least watch her with another guy, so telling me she did it with one or more guys at that party would not cause a problem now. She still, however, will not talk about it. It doesn’t cause her to have tears as long as I don’t bring it up. If I do bring it up - WHAM! I just have to accept that my wofe will never tell me about that one thing.

Some women have an amazing capacity to carry around significant issues and compartmentalize them. They deal with their issues in their own way and should not be forced to deal with them in someone elses way. Steve’s girlfriend may have any number of issues ranging the mundane to truly grusome events. Maybe his cock is too large for her and she doesn’t know how to tell him. Maybe she had another boyfriend with a large cock, complained about it, and lost the boyfriend. Maybe she was abused. Only she knows and only she needs to know.

I think Steve should continue to have sex with her. One suggestion would be to engage her more in the moment. Don’t let her drift off into her own thoughts. She will deal with her tears in her own way and he should just be patient. She obviously has an issue but really wants to keep him. Imagine wanting to have sex with someone - even if it makes you cry. She must really love him.

Maybe the fucking is her therapy.

This struck a chord with me as I had a very similar experience with my beloved. She sometimes enjoys a smack on the bottom and on this particular occasion I told her to drop her pants and bend over my knee so I could smack her bare behind. I suddenly realised she was sobbing uncontrollably. Fortunately she shared with me what the trouble was soon after. Almost inevitably it was related to abuse by a family member in her early teens. I was the first person she had told in almost 30 years. Having got it out that particular ghost was laid to rest and we’ve not had any similar episodes since.

I have seen so many people say that everything is OK when they are the ones most in need of psychiatric help/therapy. (Been there and done that).
She is obviously in need of assistance and he will have to make her extremely comfortable before she feels the comfort she needs in order to tell him.
It will probably be a long road but, if the sex is good (in every other position but a few) now, imagine how good it will be later

obviously she has issues…i do believe she needs help understanding how important it is that she gets help…she is trying to deal with it alone and cannot….it all depends on how deeply steve cares for this woman…does he want to stick around to help her? or is he just looking for some fun…in which case, he can move on. xoxo

This situation needs to be resolved, because in the end it’ll drive them apart, no matter how fond they are of one another. It sounds as if she has problems that will worsen over time unless, with help, she deals with them, so it’s best to do so while she’s with someone who genuinely cares about her.

I don’t endorse the method of confrontation, but sometimes a gentle, but forceful insistence that something must be done about the situation is a good idea. C. and I have often set aside time to discuss a thorny issue. It’s fair to say “the crying isn’t what’s bothering me as much as your unwillingness to trust me with the root cause.”

Of course, the issue may be so traumatic (abuse?) that she is unwilling to allow it out into the light of day. She would not be the only one to think one can bottle up powerful, disruptive emotions. Alas, it does not work over time.

The problem with continuing their sexual relationship is that Steve is sensitive to the crying, has no desire to hurt or upset her, and is receiving a negative response when they have sex.

Why would he want to just pretend that her crying is a non issue, when it clearly is? Perhaps she should be with someone who doesn’t care about the fact that she’s crying, but I’m inclined to agree–she has some serious issues that need to be addressed.

It’s a bit like saying “Ow” whenever your partner hugs you. If you can’t explain the reason for the pain, and the partner doesn’t wish to hurt you, they have very little incentive to continue hugging you.

I think Steve needs to have a sit down talk with her, outside the context of sex. One of those, “Look, I care about you and want to be with you, but the fact that you cry during sex isn’t something I can ignore. It’s fine if you don’t want to talk to me about it–but just pretending it isn’t an issue is only hurting you. Will you consider talking to someone about it?” kind of talks.

If she still refuses to seek help or continues to deny that it’s a problem (when Steve clearly feels it is, after witnessing the crying on multiple occasions)–then I think it’s time for Steve to gently move on. She may be attention seeking. She may be “stuffing” her emotions. She may be expecting Steve to save her. She may be an emotional masochist. Whatever it is, it’s not Steve’s responsibility to ignore her issues, potentially causing greater harm, or solve them for her.

Thanks everyone for the kind responses. I know that “Steve” has been listening with great interest.

:)

ok, as a girl with emotional issues, i’d say, keep asking to talk. if she never talks, keep asking. not every time insistently rushing her, but just, you know, let it be, enjoy it, let her do her crying, and every once in a while keep letting her know you guys can talk about it if she wants to.

you are giving her a great gift by taking care of her and letting her cry without absolutely forcing her to divulge things she may not understand, be totally concious of, or just ready to let out in the open. :D

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